Actually, let's be honest here, they are most likely the worst Toyota ever built.
These are my top 10 reasons for hating the mk3 supra. How do I know them so well? I worked on them for nearly 2 years, I drove both RHD and LHD mk3's with all sorts of different engines, stock and modified. I've spent a lot of time wrenching on them, and man do they suck badly. Let's begin:
10. Racing History: Let's be honest, there's really nothing special here, Bjorn Waldergard won one event with the MK3 supra in a Beijing Rally, and a few British fellows ran it in BTCC for a while. No real pedigree here.
9. Steering Angle: This is straight up a joke, it can't be real, no way it's even considered safe or functional to have so little steering lock for daily use. You think I'm kidding, but that's full lock below.
8. Weight: This really should be the #1 reason why there's no point in driving an mk3 Supra for any sort of 'sporting' purposes. What's that? you've never known what the weight of a mk3 supra was? Pictured below is a vehicle that weighs nearly identical, and actually produces more power.
(Note: 3800lbs, that's right, the CK short bed, short cab, not only weighed 3800lbs, but it actually produced 230hp and 300ft/lb of torque. Although the 1JZ variant is comparable)
7. Aftermarket Styling: Yes it's a slick looking exterior, simply put, it's the only selling point of the car. However, the aftermarket stuff? yeah, look below...
6.Targa Top: So you have an oval, pretty strong shape, egg's are 3d ovals and resist deformation pretty well. Then you cut a huge chunk out of it. Now you've got an easily crushable "C" shape. Thus is the Targa roof. How bad is it for chassis flex? Toyota actually had high grade, long threaded allen bolts to hold it square when in. When out, people started putting in targa supports to help reduce the horrible flex.
5. Steering Stablizer: The whole Geometry of the MK3 Supra suspension is fucked, and to help reduce bump steer, and ultimately any sort of driver feedback that's left after the hefty power steering, was a shock, bolted to the steering rack to help reduce...something. Road feel mostly, or resist the horrible bumper steer associated with #4. This Stablizer, much like the Cressidas (Although they had different front suspensions and shared the rear) resists and sometimes completely removes the affects of caster during cornering. It reduces the speed of turn by adding a dramatic amount of resistance.
4.Suspension Dynamics: These are just plain FUCKED. For some reason, Toyota decided that going from a single lower control arm McPherson strut setup, that had proven extremely well in the Corolla's, Celica's, and Celica Supras of the past, had to go, and in place a needlessly complex, and albeit poorly designed multi-link/double wishbone setup in it's place. You want to know how bad it is? Camber actually becomes positive on compression and negative on extension. Seriously look vvv.
3. Cock Riders: This isn't about the owners. The amount of people floating around the internet praising the mk3, simply because of it's loose relation to that of an mk4 Supra most of them having never owned a Supra in their lives. Although this makes me curious of the dynamic of buying and polishing a turd.
2. 7M/1G: Pretty weak sauce. So you buy a 3800lb driveway ornament and want to go fast. In North America, your faced with the 7M, and Japan, luckily enough got the 1jz, however, they too got the 7M and even worse, the 1G. Every other M series engine was decent, the 7M screwed that right up. It's head design is the fault. People will tell you it was a bad factory gasket, or under torqued bolts. However, even with those factors coverd, the real core of the issue was a bad head design. Getting past the common, and often debilitating issue of 7m's blowing gaskets (try pushing that thing!) The power of a 7m is a joke. Remember that Toyota publishes not the wheel horse power, but the crank. By the time that inline 6 delivers it's 200hp N/a to the rear, it's about 160hp, got a turbo? Roughly 190hp. Brutal for that amount of weight, but look out! There's even a worse motor: the 1GGTE. Although not plagued with head gasket failures and people thinking they can build the ultimate 7m, only to fail like the next guy, the 1ggte had it's own issues, spinning bearings, and well, being 2 liters! Such a tiny inline 6, and it needed twin turbo's just to make the 210hp. Unless your supra screwed and end up with an n/a 1GGE at 150hp.
And the Number 1 reason MK3 supra's are garbage! *Drum Roll*
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Not all cars need a pedigree to be sought after! i thnk the mkiii supra is one of the best looking cars around!
I would suggest you actually go back and do some real research on the ma70 Quinn, you are nowhere close to reality with the vast majority of your points. Your comparison to a truck is a joke at best. The suspension is actually very good, setting it up for different types of driving/track use is very easy. The a70 was never released as a pure sports car, its a grand tourer you twat. The damper was phased out for the 89 year onwards cars, but then if you actually knew what you were talking about you would have known that. the jza80 is a different car entirely, it has its good ppoints, and it has its bads points AS DO ALL CARS YOU MORON. There are a lot of high powered 7m engined a70’s around if yo bothered to take the time to look then you would have noticed. I agree the maroon aint pretty but then didnt many of your heavy, rusty, lethargic V8 engined american crap from that era also have maroon interiors available? You want to talk low output engined cars? Lets talk American, big, heavy, crap suspension, shite interiors. Camaros from that era, joke! 350ci engine making what? Lots of noise but very little go? next time you are sitting at the traffic lites and get your lard arse handed to you by something you know nothing about, do us all a favour, keep it to yourself.
MKIII owner is a genious with an amazing penus. I TOO own a MACH 3 POOPRA, it cant turn for shit and weighs as much as a giant panda, which MKIII owner is very knowledgable about. i have a 7m and it is crap, i have rebuilt it for the third time and i am a good driver. Im a drifter and i maintain my car like i maintain my penis. which is sideways for all wondering. I have aids and am going to die. the end!
I own a mk2 and a mk3 and oh my god, a mk4 and I love them all
Lol you sound like just another bitter, mechanically-challenged individual, crying over spilled milk… A blown head gasket is not that big of a deal, and as previously stated by supramk387: “You fix it right, you fix it once”. In regards to the weight issue… uh, does a bear shit in the woods?? Its just common knowledge that the a70 is heavy. After all, it is a LUXURY car… and if you bought one with the intention of building a drift car out of it, maybe you should do a little research first. Suspension: Please tell me you didn’t base your little theory on a picture of a rally car, mid air. If you honestly believe that camber would go positive in compression (and vise versa), you need to go back to your high school and punch your geometry teacher in the face. In fact, punch yourself in the face, thats just common sense. 1G???? Why are you complaining about a motor that was never sold, nor rarely even seen in the US? Listen, you can’t knock something cuz its not your cup of tea.. its just ignorant.