Actually, let's be honest here, they are most likely the worst Toyota ever built.
These are my top 10 reasons for hating the mk3 supra. How do I know them so well? I worked on them for nearly 2 years, I drove both RHD and LHD mk3's with all sorts of different engines, stock and modified. I've spent a lot of time wrenching on them, and man do they suck badly. Let's begin:
10. Racing History: Let's be honest, there's really nothing special here, Bjorn Waldergard won one event with the MK3 supra in a Beijing Rally, and a few British fellows ran it in BTCC for a while. No real pedigree here.
9. Steering Angle: This is straight up a joke, it can't be real, no way it's even considered safe or functional to have so little steering lock for daily use. You think I'm kidding, but that's full lock below.
8. Weight: This really should be the #1 reason why there's no point in driving an mk3 Supra for any sort of 'sporting' purposes. What's that? you've never known what the weight of a mk3 supra was? Pictured below is a vehicle that weighs nearly identical, and actually produces more power.
(Note: 3800lbs, that's right, the CK short bed, short cab, not only weighed 3800lbs, but it actually produced 230hp and 300ft/lb of torque. Although the 1JZ variant is comparable)
7. Aftermarket Styling: Yes it's a slick looking exterior, simply put, it's the only selling point of the car. However, the aftermarket stuff? yeah, look below...
6.Targa Top: So you have an oval, pretty strong shape, egg's are 3d ovals and resist deformation pretty well. Then you cut a huge chunk out of it. Now you've got an easily crushable "C" shape. Thus is the Targa roof. How bad is it for chassis flex? Toyota actually had high grade, long threaded allen bolts to hold it square when in. When out, people started putting in targa supports to help reduce the horrible flex.
5. Steering Stablizer: The whole Geometry of the MK3 Supra suspension is fucked, and to help reduce bump steer, and ultimately any sort of driver feedback that's left after the hefty power steering, was a shock, bolted to the steering rack to help reduce...something. Road feel mostly, or resist the horrible bumper steer associated with #4. This Stablizer, much like the Cressidas (Although they had different front suspensions and shared the rear) resists and sometimes completely removes the affects of caster during cornering. It reduces the speed of turn by adding a dramatic amount of resistance.
4.Suspension Dynamics: These are just plain FUCKED. For some reason, Toyota decided that going from a single lower control arm McPherson strut setup, that had proven extremely well in the Corolla's, Celica's, and Celica Supras of the past, had to go, and in place a needlessly complex, and albeit poorly designed multi-link/double wishbone setup in it's place. You want to know how bad it is? Camber actually becomes positive on compression and negative on extension. Seriously look vvv.
3. Cock Riders: This isn't about the owners. The amount of people floating around the internet praising the mk3, simply because of it's loose relation to that of an mk4 Supra most of them having never owned a Supra in their lives. Although this makes me curious of the dynamic of buying and polishing a turd.
2. 7M/1G: Pretty weak sauce. So you buy a 3800lb driveway ornament and want to go fast. In North America, your faced with the 7M, and Japan, luckily enough got the 1jz, however, they too got the 7M and even worse, the 1G. Every other M series engine was decent, the 7M screwed that right up. It's head design is the fault. People will tell you it was a bad factory gasket, or under torqued bolts. However, even with those factors coverd, the real core of the issue was a bad head design. Getting past the common, and often debilitating issue of 7m's blowing gaskets (try pushing that thing!) The power of a 7m is a joke. Remember that Toyota publishes not the wheel horse power, but the crank. By the time that inline 6 delivers it's 200hp N/a to the rear, it's about 160hp, got a turbo? Roughly 190hp. Brutal for that amount of weight, but look out! There's even a worse motor: the 1GGTE. Although not plagued with head gasket failures and people thinking they can build the ultimate 7m, only to fail like the next guy, the 1ggte had it's own issues, spinning bearings, and well, being 2 liters! Such a tiny inline 6, and it needed twin turbo's just to make the 210hp. Unless your supra screwed and end up with an n/a 1GGE at 150hp.
And the Number 1 reason MK3 supra's are garbage! *Drum Roll*
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Loans of Giant Pandas to American and Japanese zoos formed an important part of the diplomacy of the People’s Republic of China in the 1970s, as it marked some of the first cultural exchanges between the People’s Republic and the West. This practice has been termed “Panda diplomacy”.
By 1984, however, pandas were no longer used as agents of diplomacy. Instead, China began to offer pandas to other nations only on 10-year loans. The standard loan terms include a fee of up to US$1,000,000 per year and a provision that any cubs born during the loan are the property of the People’s Republic of China. Since 1998, due to a WWF lawsuit, the United States Fish and Wildlife Service only allows a U.S. zoo to import a panda if the zoo can ensure that China will channel more than half of its loan fee into conservation efforts for the Giant Panda and its habitat.
In May 2005, China offered a breeding pair to Taiwan. The issue became embroiled in cross-Strait relations—both over the underlying symbolism, and over technical issues such as whether the transfer would be considered “domestic” or “international,” or whether any true conservation purpose would be served by the exchange.50 China’s offer was initially rejected by President Chen of Taiwan. However when the presidency changed hands China’s offer was accepted at the beginning of Ma Ying-jeou’s presidency in 2008, and the pandas themselves arrived in December of that year. A contest to name the pandas was held in China, resulting in the politically charged names “Tuan Tuan” and “Yuan Yuan” (from tuanyuan, meaning “reunion”, i.e. “reunification”).51
The Giant Panda is an endangered species, threatened by continued habitat loss and by a very low birthrate, both in the wild and in captivity.21
The Giant Panda has been a target for poaching by locals since ancient times and by foreigners since it was introduced to the West. Starting in the 1930s, foreigners were unable to poach Giant Pandas in China because of the Second Sino-Japanese War and the Chinese Civil War, but pandas remained a source of soft furs for the locals. The population boom in China after 1949 created stress on the pandas’ habitat, and the subsequent famines led to the increased hunting of wildlife, including pandas. During the Cultural Revolution, all studies and conservation activities on the pandas were stopped. After the Chinese economic reform, demand for panda skins from Hong Kong and Japan led to illegal poaching for the black market, acts generally ignored by the local officials at the time.
Close up of a baby seven-month-old panda cub in the Wolong Nature Reserve in Sichuan, China.
Though the Wolong National Nature Reserve was set up by the PRC government in 1958 to save the declining panda population, few advances in the conservation of pandas were made, due to inexperience and insufficient knowledge of ecology. Many believed that the best way to save the pandas was to cage them. As a result, pandas were caged at any sign of decline, and suffered from terrible conditions. Because of pollution and destruction of their natural habitat, along with segregation due to caging, reproduction of wild pandas was severely limited. In the 1990s, however, several laws (including gun control and the removal of resident humans from the reserves) helped the chances of survival for pandas. With these renewed efforts and improved conservation methods, wild pandas have started to increase in numbers in some areas, even though they still are classified as a rare species.
In 2006, scientists reported that the number of pandas living in the wild may have been underestimated at about 1,000. Previous population surveys had used conventional methods to estimate the size of the wild panda population, but using a new method that analyzes DNA from panda droppings, scientists believe that the wild panda population may be as large as 3,000.21 Although the species is still endangered, it is thought that the conservation efforts are working. As of 2006, there were 40 panda reserves in China, compared to just 13 reserves two decades ago.10
The Giant Panda is among the world’s most adored and protected rare animals, and is one of the few in the world whose natural inhabitant status was able to gain a UNESCO World Heritage Site designation. The Sichuan Giant Panda Sanctuaries, located in the southwest Sichuan province and covering seven natural reserves, were inscribed onto the World Heritage List in 2006.5253
Not all conservationists agree that the money spent on conserving pandas is money well spent. Chris Packham has argued that breeding pandas in captivity is “pointless” because “there is not enough habitat left to sustain them”.54 Packham argues that the money spent on pandas would be better spent elsewhere,54 and has said that he would “eat the last panda if I could have all the money we have spent on panda conservation put back on the table for me to do more sensible things with,”55 though he has apologized for upsetting people who like pandas.56 He points out that “The panda is possibly one of the grossest wastes of conservation money in the last half century.”55
There is no conclusive explanation of the origin of the word “panda”. The closest candidate is the Nepali word ponya, possibly referring to the adapted wrist bone. The Western world originally applied this name to the Red Panda. Until 1901, when it was erroneously stated that it was related to the Red Panda, the Giant Panda was known as “mottled bear” (Ailuropus melanoleucus) or “particolored bear”.70
In most encyclopedic sources, the name “panda” or “common panda” originally referred to the lesser-known Red Panda,71 thus necessitating the inclusion of “giant” and “lesser/red” prefixes in front of the names. Even as of 2010[update] the Encyclopædia Britannica still used “giant panda” or “panda bear” for the bear 72 and simply “panda” for the Ailuridae,73 despite the popular usage of the word “panda”.
Since the earliest collection of Chinese writings, the Chinese language has given the bear 20 different names, such as 花熊 (hua xiong) “spotted bear” and 竹熊 (zhu xiong) “bamboo bear”.74 The most popular names in China today are 大熊貓 (dà xióng māo), literally “large bear cat”, or just 熊貓 (xióng māo), “bear cat”. The name may have been inspired by the Giant Panda’s eyes, which have pupils that are cat-like vertical slits – unlike other bear species, which have round pupils.75
In Taiwan, the popular name for panda is the inverted 貓熊 (māo xióng) “cat bear,” even though many encyclopedia and dictionaries in Taiwan still use “bear cat” as the correct name. Some linguists argue that, in this construction, “bear” instead of “cat” is the base noun, making this name more grammatically and logically correct, which may have led to the popular choice despite official writings.74
I just realized Supra’s are bunk and I’ve been rude and obnoxious due to the fact that someones opinion was different then my own.
I’m sorry everyone.
I’ll agree that the car is too heavy, but that’s only a problem if you like all the crap they put on it. I don’t need high pressure headlight cleaners, a full size spare, 20way electric adjustable seats, electronic suspension, an automatic transmission, targa top, or any of the dozens of other things toyota ladled onto the car. I bought a hard top model and took out everything that I didn’t want (or swapped to lighter, less luxurious items). It’s got about he same amount of convenience items in it as a 240sx now (except, I ditched my non-working A/C since I never use A/C anyway). It also weighs the same as a RB26 swapped S14 now…. 3000 pounds. The car started out at a porky 3700. So, toyota did mess up the weight, but it can be fixed.
Your assessment of the SLA double wishbone suspension is incorrect… the car does not gain positive camber with suspension compression. It is at -0.2 degrees at ride height, and gains additional negative camber with travel in either direction (compression or extension) due to the SLA design. Don’t talk about things you don’t understand, you look like an idiot.
I also swapped to a 1JZGTE when my 7M went south. It’s an amazing motor with more potential than most other import motors. I could have went with a 2JZ, but I was on a budget.
My car probably isn’t the typical example of the A70 chassis though (most owners don’t bother to try to lighten the car, and prefer to make more power to pull the extra weight). To be fair, alot of them really do suck (non-turbo automatics with burgundy interiors…).
There are plenty though that don’t.
If you’re incapable of turning one into a car that doesn’t suck, maybe car’s aren’t your thing. Maybe try fishing.