Actually, let's be honest here, they are most likely the worst Toyota ever built.
These are my top 10 reasons for hating the mk3 supra. How do I know them so well? I worked on them for nearly 2 years, I drove both RHD and LHD mk3's with all sorts of different engines, stock and modified. I've spent a lot of time wrenching on them, and man do they suck badly. Let's begin:
10. Racing History: Let's be honest, there's really nothing special here, Bjorn Waldergard won one event with the MK3 supra in a Beijing Rally, and a few British fellows ran it in BTCC for a while. No real pedigree here.
9. Steering Angle: This is straight up a joke, it can't be real, no way it's even considered safe or functional to have so little steering lock for daily use. You think I'm kidding, but that's full lock below.
8. Weight: This really should be the #1 reason why there's no point in driving an mk3 Supra for any sort of 'sporting' purposes. What's that? you've never known what the weight of a mk3 supra was? Pictured below is a vehicle that weighs nearly identical, and actually produces more power.
(Note: 3800lbs, that's right, the CK short bed, short cab, not only weighed 3800lbs, but it actually produced 230hp and 300ft/lb of torque. Although the 1JZ variant is comparable)
7. Aftermarket Styling: Yes it's a slick looking exterior, simply put, it's the only selling point of the car. However, the aftermarket stuff? yeah, look below...
6.Targa Top: So you have an oval, pretty strong shape, egg's are 3d ovals and resist deformation pretty well. Then you cut a huge chunk out of it. Now you've got an easily crushable "C" shape. Thus is the Targa roof. How bad is it for chassis flex? Toyota actually had high grade, long threaded allen bolts to hold it square when in. When out, people started putting in targa supports to help reduce the horrible flex.
5. Steering Stablizer: The whole Geometry of the MK3 Supra suspension is fucked, and to help reduce bump steer, and ultimately any sort of driver feedback that's left after the hefty power steering, was a shock, bolted to the steering rack to help reduce...something. Road feel mostly, or resist the horrible bumper steer associated with #4. This Stablizer, much like the Cressidas (Although they had different front suspensions and shared the rear) resists and sometimes completely removes the affects of caster during cornering. It reduces the speed of turn by adding a dramatic amount of resistance.
4.Suspension Dynamics: These are just plain FUCKED. For some reason, Toyota decided that going from a single lower control arm McPherson strut setup, that had proven extremely well in the Corolla's, Celica's, and Celica Supras of the past, had to go, and in place a needlessly complex, and albeit poorly designed multi-link/double wishbone setup in it's place. You want to know how bad it is? Camber actually becomes positive on compression and negative on extension. Seriously look vvv.
3. Cock Riders: This isn't about the owners. The amount of people floating around the internet praising the mk3, simply because of it's loose relation to that of an mk4 Supra most of them having never owned a Supra in their lives. Although this makes me curious of the dynamic of buying and polishing a turd.
2. 7M/1G: Pretty weak sauce. So you buy a 3800lb driveway ornament and want to go fast. In North America, your faced with the 7M, and Japan, luckily enough got the 1jz, however, they too got the 7M and even worse, the 1G. Every other M series engine was decent, the 7M screwed that right up. It's head design is the fault. People will tell you it was a bad factory gasket, or under torqued bolts. However, even with those factors coverd, the real core of the issue was a bad head design. Getting past the common, and often debilitating issue of 7m's blowing gaskets (try pushing that thing!) The power of a 7m is a joke. Remember that Toyota publishes not the wheel horse power, but the crank. By the time that inline 6 delivers it's 200hp N/a to the rear, it's about 160hp, got a turbo? Roughly 190hp. Brutal for that amount of weight, but look out! There's even a worse motor: the 1GGTE. Although not plagued with head gasket failures and people thinking they can build the ultimate 7m, only to fail like the next guy, the 1ggte had it's own issues, spinning bearings, and well, being 2 liters! Such a tiny inline 6, and it needed twin turbo's just to make the 210hp. Unless your supra screwed and end up with an n/a 1GGE at 150hp.
And the Number 1 reason MK3 supra's are garbage! *Drum Roll*
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1. Burgandy:
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No not going to tell you my name I own a 98 and my first car was a 86 and not all of them come in burgandy asshole you probpy like some fucking sti or somthing
Realen drive nissan gtrs ya good luck your one of those gay peapole who like buggatis and shit that you’ll never afford I like gtrs but no one here will ever afford one!
fact of the matter is some of this info is correct and some of it isnt.
The Supra is a heavy car, but no more so than most touring cars in the same size/power range; and the car is not much heavier than any of the american equivalents.
The supra is not a very powerful car stock with the 7m his math is a little wrong though. The supras worth having which have a r154 tranny are actually producing over 200 rwhp That is estimating a 18-19% drivetrain loss (and if i remember correctly the r154 and stock system only loses about 14%). This is easily fixed with very few and inexpesive modifications. I have Lexus afm 3inch full hks exahaust including downpipe and divorced wastegate 550cc injectors upgraded intercooler, Unorthodox lightweight flywheel, lightweight propshaft, and a greddy spec 2 boost controller pushing about 11lbs boost, and i dyno just over 350 rwhp. On the stock Computer.
“3800lbs, that’s right, the CK short bed, short cab, not only weighed 3800lbs, but it actually produced 230hp and 300ft/lb of torque. Although the 1JZ variant is comparable)” This is also measured at the crank. if you add in the average powertrain loss on a truck with heavy transmission and pulling gears in the diff. you are bucking way less than 200hp at the wheel. More likely around 180Hp at the rear wheel, and unless the driver is extremely fat( not really possible in the amount of space in MK3) the supra only weighs around 3400 pounds with fluid. This is with the targa which adds about 200 lbs.
Targa is shit. Its unfortunate but true. Body roll sucks.
Also I am calling bullshit on the dude claiming to have beaten a GTR in a race in the mk3.
some of the more powerful MK3 w/7m are only producing around 700-800hp “safely”. Even with the best trottle control and very little turbo lag these supras 0-60 in the 4 second range. The gtr has 540 ish hp on an all wheel drive ATESSA drivetrain system. The newest gtr stock will 0-60 in about 2.7 +/- .1 second (handmade motor) and will 0-120 in about 11 seconds.
Headgasket fix " HKS metal Head gasket. ARP head Studs and bolts. Torque to 80lbs.
Love My MK3, but EVERY car has its Faults. I am working on some minor electrical issues in mine. (Gas light indicatior no longer works, but i think i will live.)
I respect peapole like you (the person who made thos commet under mine)
i think bd and endagered soul are the same person just like the first couple of coments on this page are the same person as the auther of the originlal post so it looks like people agree with them. In fact I have posted alote of the trolling coments on this page, many of which even oppose each other like the gtr is the best car ever coment, and the one about the mk3 beating the gtr. and the bend over comments. and you idiots have been taking it all
seiously. i mean I obviously havent worked on gtrs and ferries. any one can get on here and bullshit. I owned a mk3 supra 87 it was in very poor condition due to years of naglect
i drove it from florida to new jersey with a leaking headgasket and drove it aroud for another six mounths before it blew complety. nomader what the car was unkillable. and it was still comfortible fast and fun to drive. i am not going to claim it to be the best car ever
but i loved it. The auther of this post is probebly a fan himself judging by the other cars he
has owned alegedly. he is just trying to piss people off like i have been doing on here people get so wound up so easy he probebly thought it was funny now bend over all of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!